Since the ECU is not quite as smart as you are and has a very microscopic view of its world, its behavior may seem very strange to you, but seem perfectly normal to the computer. 2002 Mitsubishi Galant ES. Now, when I'm at a stop light and I turn my steering wheel just a little, the rpm drops and then comes right back up to idling speed. I have 135,000 miles on it. 1) the throttle body-mounted idle/WOT switch. Not jerking, just fluidly moving up and down. tapping the accelerator will bring the idle down to normal, but then it will rhythmically rev from less than 1k to above 2k rpms at about 1/sec. Engine Surging - Snow Thrower. Cleaning it out with a metal rod fixed the idle problem. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 11 of 11 Posts. I have class tomorrow. Controlled by the idle mixture screws. It is normal for a snow thrower engine to run in this manner. if you can drive above 20mph the tps is good. One sign that your Tecumseh engine is not getting the right air-to-fuel mixture is when the engine dies out during the idle state. google it, theres lots of info on yotatech. More specifically a lean condition. al,496HO MPI no modifications. Engine surge at idle when the heater control is in the defrost position (1991 Ford F-150) If I move the heater - a/c control to the floor or off position, it will return to a smooth idle at 500 rpm. 4 turbo had the check engine light and surge at idle at just over 31K - - Superior Chevy in Conway AR replaced the valve cover gasket 2 days ago. This caused a new vacuum leak at the front crankcase seal. The appropriate fuel system cleaner added to the fuel tank can open clogged passages in injectors and carburetors that may be causing the surge. I thought it might be the float level so after a hard run when it was surging away at idle I turned the fuel tap off. I just installed a brand new injection pump in, but it didnt fix my problem. It still have surges. Engine surges at idle 07-31-2016, 04:11 PM. when you engage the blades the extra load causes the governor to open the throttle which switches over to the main/high speed jet in the carb and it runs smooth. Question type: Maintenance & Repair. L67 problems. Where quoted, a surge rating is typically in the range of 2 times the maximum rating for 2 to 3 seconds. If it still over speeds or has no push toward idle, you probably will need to have the internal parts. The engine sounded good at fast idle, then as the engine slowed the surge returned. Idle was fine initially but when the engine temp got up to where the temp gauge was half way to normal operating temp the surging would start. When it spins it sounds real rough (whining sound) Connections are tight,. Won't stop hunting/surging. Idle speed or ignition timing is out of specification. hey guys i still have the idle surging problem. If its old gas and you let it sit in the carb it will plug things up. engine with covers, shrouds, or guards removed. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 4 of 4 Posts. Over time, carbon builds up on the electronic throttle body. " The engine speed changes dramatically repeatedly below 2200 RPM It will jump from 800 to 1500 down to 1200 up to 1800 and so on. I know its one of the cheaper made lawn tractors. When you shift into drive the problem resolves itself. If I turn on A/C it will not surge from 1 to 2,000 but idle fast at 2,000. Going to scan today with a Matco Pro Scan Plus tool hoping to find the issue. The dealership recommended cleaning the throttle and replacing the mass air flow sensor. cat235d · Registered. It seems to do it more in the summer rather than the winter, but i think it may be coincidence. 10 Answers. Here's what happens: If I'm driving at very, very low speeds (think grocery store or mall parking lot- 5 mph or so) the engine has a "surging" idle to it. Fine-tune the idle in three steps: turn the screw clockwise until the engine begins to slow. It's not a huge up and down surge but you can sure hear it when you stand by the truck when it's idling and it's annoying, but once you get in and step on the throttle the surging dissapears, otherwise the motor has good power and fuel economy when I'm driving down the road. 91 Honda Civic surging at idle [ 2 Answers ] I have a 91 Honda Civic DX, the engine surges around 500rpm (guessing) at an idle, seems to get worse in hot weather. al,496HO MPI no modifications. It's prone mostly to V8s that are force-fed with a large Roots-style supercharger. Engine surging What I mean by this is that the RPMs will start out around 600-700rpm for a second or two, then drop down to about 500 for a split second, then back up to 600-700. Lawnmower guy here The carb is probably plugged up a bit, which causes the engine to run lean, which causes the the engine speed to fall off, and the governor forces the carb to open more, thus the surge cycle begins. Once it warms up, the idle bounces between 1500 and 1800. Clean it up, put it back together, you're done. PREPARATION. It moves between 2,000 and 3,000 RPM. Many thanks Sogwo - I had the exact same symptoms (idle surging once the engine was warm) and just as you found, the fitting on the thermostat housing that goes to the throttle body was clogged. chevy forum at Car Dealer Forums; Truck runs great, but recently when the engine comes off the enriching circuit. Eventually it will clogg enough the engine will shut off. The commonest cause for surging / loping where the engine revs to around 2000rpm and then drops back to around 1000rpm is cycling on the fuel cut. It sound like it. I have a marine 3116 cat with surging and stalling at idle. When we recently took a trip from New York to Nashville TN, I noticed that the engine surges a bit at idle. Start the vehicle and allow it to idle to warm up the engine. Engine surges, up and down, when cold, from about 1,000 rpm to 2,000 rpm. Newbie Tuner Needs Help With Idle Surge I have since purchased HP tuners 2. My problem is that at idle the motor surges. The RPMs surging under a constant speed in that 30-50mph band certainly sound like a torque converter lockup problem. I installed a 24v CUMMINS into a FORD and got it to crank but having a strange idling issue with the truck idle surging. when i turn the engine over the engine idles high, at above 2k rpms. Engine Surges at Idle, Troubleshooting Cummins Diesel Engines. 0 Mustang Tech: 3: Apr 11, 2020: B: Idle Surge On Fox Body: Fox 5. strong idle surging Nice hot 86* day, was using start stop to quiet the fan from sounding like a tornado approaching but each time it would kick on after being stopped, the surge would be so great I'd have to hit the brake to keep from hitting the car in front of me (yes ample room in front). 8t wolfsburg and the idle will bounce from like 600 to 900 up and down continuously and sometimes when i stop the engine will just stall. While idling, my rpm will surge from about 1100 to 1700 over the time frame of a second or two then return to 1100 over that same time frame, then repeat. even at full throttle no load the engine runs on the idle circuit of the carb. I noted a surge in my wifes Infiniti a while back and hooked it up and found that the ignition timing was bouncing back to about 0 during accel. 2005 Ford F150 stalls at idle and surges Recently we came across a 2005 Ford F150 with a 5. So now Im at a brick wall. I have fixed most of the major problems but now my issue is surging idle when the engine is HOT. Slight surging idle issues: Digital Self-tuning Forum: 14: Apr 16, 2020: K: Engine New Built Engine - Rough Start and Idle Surge: Fox 5. Not being able to properly seal, this causes the irregular idle and the fluctuations in RPM as your engine idles. Quote Reply Topic: 401 - engine surge at idle Posted: Jan/16/2011 at 11:58am: Well I am new to the forum, and to AMC engines. I have a 2003 dodge with a cummins diesel and a while back I noticed the engine runs unsteady at idlesurges. Jump to Latest Follow Not sure if this is the same type problem. rough idle; engine surge; On some models, a faulty PCV valve or system may trigger the CEL. RPM constantly changing between 2000 and 1000, gear in P or N. " The engine speed changes dramatically repeatedly below 2200 RPM It will jump from 800 to 1500 down to 1200 up to 1800 and so on. This is causing a sort of vacuum leak inside that cylinder. PREPARATION. Trimmer: Engine Rpm's Surge Up And Down Keep playing with the low speed needle until you get rapid immediate response from the throttle, and good idle with the idle adjustment. 1 Vehicle emissions. Components in the fuel, ignition, emission and other systems should work correctly. That will cause it to surge. fuel injection. It doesn't seem to be consistent in amount of time in between surges but the surging is constant. Surging Idle When engine has warmed up, Worse with Air conditioner turned on The Vehicle had been bought to the workshop to find out why the Idle was so erratic, the vehicle had undergone a few repairs already such as new spark plugs, air mass meter and throttlbody clean and reset the idle adaptions. turn the engine off and then restart it. I pull over and look under the hood, and find that the whole engine is sort of twisting quite severely at about 1 second intervals. When I remove the oil cap, the idle rpms go down some, but not too much because the engine keeps running as it should. Cooled air fills the cabin and you're able to relax and drive comfortably. Make sure all accesories (radio, blower motor, a/c, lights, etc) are off and start the engine. It's not a huge up and down surge but you can sure hear it when you stand by the truck when it's idling and it's annoying, but once you get in and step on the throttle the surging dissapears, otherwise the motor has good power and fuel economy when I'm driving down the road. The problem has been occuring intermittently for several years. The factory manual specifies performing the idle adjustment with the engine oil temperature between 70 - 90 °C (158 - 194 °F). Keeps cycling like this. When driving the car and coasting in. 2L V6 engine. Engine goes high and low, up and down. I just returned from a nice Sunday ride for lunch on a new to me 2008. Replacing the IACV fixed them both. This 2004 Nissan Altima 2. It runs great for the first 20-30 minutes and then the RPM's increase and stay increased until I idle it down. To check the intake plumbing and hoses for signs of leaks, spray carburetor cleaner around the intake and vacuum system. Tapping the 'lower speed' button slows it down, but it starts climbing again. Engine Surging - Snow Thrower. Notice while at a stop/red light if I put the car in N the engine surges up and down like the idle is not constant. All systems check out except the FICM. Article Number. Mainly when it is warm, like at a stop light or sitting in a drive through. Off idle does really well. Cummins:B Series: Engine Surge at Idle: Castaway : 7 : 3 : 04-Sep-14 Original Post : 19-Aug-14 : I have a pair of 1990 6bta 250hp. Jump to Latest Follow Status Not open for further replies. When you have a restriction, the engine leans out and starts to die, then the. Idle will creep up and peak at 1,500 rpm and then go back down to 700 rpm,it takes about 15-20 seconds for a complete cycle (from 700 rpm up to 1,500 rpm and back down to 700 rpm) It doesnt always do it when the engine is warm. You check to ensure this is actually the problem by spraying starter fluid at the gasket while its surging and see if it clears up. The problem is this annoying idle surge, especially when it's first started (warm or cold temps) It surges, or "hunts" for the idle speed. Does not do it all the time, but revs up a bit then back down like it is cycling to find the right idle speed. Most computer controlled vehicles rely on the coolant temperature sensor to tell the computer whether the engine is cold and needs a rich mixture. The engine does this at both idle and when cruising. Surges that accelerate engine speed could cause unexpected vehicle movement. While traveling with fixed position of the go-pedal, the gasoline engine RPM and load and electric drive torque should stay pretty constant. Briggs 12 HP engine drags [ 2 Answers ] I have a B/S 12 hp 28000 series engine. First, let's pinpoint exactly what's going on. The shop stated when the TPS was tested (via scan tool) voltage did not fluctuate, it stayed steady. After I bumped the pilot richer to a 50, the problem of surging was eliminated. Pcm over compensated to prevent stalling by raising the idle. Idle Problem (surges like crazy AND idles super high) Discussion in 'Engine/Drivetrain' started by lowlife, Oct 11, and on top of the idle surging while the brake pedal is pressed, it ALSO idles really really high when in neutral and even sometimes surges but in fewer intervals when in neutral. I have a marine 3116 cat with surging and stalling at idle. It's a 350 TBI. The hesitation lasts for but a second or two at most. Low freon will make the A/C still work but at a reduced level. I too had my steering column rebuilt, now my :ford: 7. But the surge problem is still there, and now it sometimes revs high. The IAC also assists with off idle acceleration, so this could doubly so be at issue. Some models, such as your 2000 528i with the M52TU 6-cylinder engine, have two intake boots. The book says air leaks in the carb. Quote Reply Topic: help with engine idle surging,,,,, Posted: 06 Mar 2020 at 9:57pm Our oldest Son has a 2000 Hyundai Elantra with the 4 cylinder engine and has got me buffaloed,,,, The car started getting a very high idle ,,,so I had him pull the throttle body as it had never been off and figured it was gummed up. Feels like someone is on/off/on/off/on the gas pedal. From what I am reading, you are describing an engine surge, that is the RPM is going up and down. Then back them out 4 or 5 full turns before trying to start the engine. The appropriate fuel system cleaner added to the fuel tank can open clogged passages in injectors and carburetors that may be causing the surge. this problem started after i found water in the crankcase and on the valvetrain. so if you have a combination of high idle and surging on return to idle, I would guess your dealer would probably. It is the solenoid that bolts to the throttle body that controls changes in the idle caused by loads on the engine. I thought the same thing about exhaust but highly unlikely, but just to make me feel better i unhooked it anyway. Re-timed it to 8* at 1000 rpm, re-set low idle, hooked vacuum back up 3000 rpm 34 * timing. The engine noise gets extremely quiet when it drops down to 500 RPM. Posted to European Driveability on 3/18/2013 8 Replies. Electric choke works great, after the choke comes off and the car idles at 800 rpm glass smooth. So no biggy, just no power until that tank was gone. Now, it starts ok but the engine revs and slows at idle or under no load. While idling, my rpm will surge from about 1100 to 1700 over the time frame of a second or two then return to 1100 over that same time frame, then repeat. By the term surging idle, I mean an idle that wanders up and down more than 50 RPM, or an idle that starts low and goes high and stays there. Normally air enters the cylinders only through the four paths through the throttle body (ISC, FIAV, BISS and throttle plate), but there are also various ways that air can leak in. Does not do it all the time, but revs up a bit then back down like it is cycling to find the right idle speed. In most cases it is a bad Injector pressure regulator (the orings come apart) Customer reply replied 12 years ago. 1 - 20 of 23 Posts. Having rough idle/engine light issues with my '09 Mini S (47k miles). Sometimes it will drop below idle speed and shut off the engine. Here is the cause of surges, stalls at stops, slow idle speed, erratic idle speed, rough idle and engine hesitation (and other problems), it is in most cases the idle speed control air-bypass valve and or throttle valve and upper intake, these area's get full of gunk and combustion residue over the miles and cause idle issues (stalls, low idle) like yours, Get a can of intake cleaner from any. The engine idles perfect when cold and purrrrs like a kitten when driving. 0 Mustang Tech: 87: Sep 12, 2009. The dreaded engine surge. but when allowed to idle for a second the rpm's start dropping and jumping back up to 800 or so, going between 200-1100 and about cutting off in the. repeat this over and over, and you get the constant surging. After you drive it for a couple of minutes then stop at a stop-sign or red-light, the idle will "surge" — like it's trying to stall out and then revs up to recover, over and over. You have to remove the IAC and use a spray carburetor cleaner or throttle body cleaner to disolve the carbon. first i have an 05 LS, 4. With the engine at idle, move the governor lever with your finger to open the throttle and it should push the arm back toward idle if working properly. BMW E30 3 Series Idle Speed Troubleshooting. How to repair an engine carburetor that surges, hunts, or waffles. al,496HO MPI no modifications. It runs 100% at everything other than idle. I have a AEM Wideband A/F mixture gauge and when it's missing the gauge jumps up lean anywhere from 15-20. Fuel cut is inhibited by the ECU until the engine reaches a certain temperature, so usually the surging does not start until after the engine has been running at a high idle for a couple of minutes. If you give it a little gas up to. Re: 01 CR250 surging problem Please post what you find, when you find out what is wrong as I have the same problem in my 98 CR250. So far nothing has. I installed a 24v CUMMINS into a FORD and got it to crank but having a strange idling issue with the truck idle surging. The FI computer looks at this switch for a sign that the throttle is completely closed and then it turns over idle speed to the ICV. I decided I might as well replace. The ECM/PCM learns to compensate for the buildup by increasing the throttle plate angle to ensure the correct amount of air still enters the engine. the carb didnt supply gas at idle, so the throttle would kick high by the governor. I take off the air cleaner, check it out, no gas leaks, choke is working fine, nothing visibly wrong. Onan engine running on choke, hunting, RPMs changing, wont idle, idle rough The jet has small pin hole orifices and once plugged up you will no longer be able to idle smooth and most likely need to use the choke to keep it running smooth. A leak in the intake/vacuum system will cause surging in the motor, especially at idle. I get it home, put it in park, and it keeps surging. 4 liter engine that was stalling at idle and had a surging condition at lower engine rpms. meaning its not getting enough gas at idle. bandit10-4 · Registered. (44-46v) on cold start up. If you mean that the engine is surging … or not keeping a steady speed during warm-up, this could be due to an intake system vacuum leak. Mazda6 idle surge. You can also lock the timing out on a blower motor and that seems to help also. It must be performed under any of the following conditions: Each time electric throttle control actuator or ECM is replaced. Still hunts and badly at that!. NHTSA ID Number: 10113691 Manufacturer Communication Number: PI0928E Summary This preliminary informational bulletin provides repair information for a customer concern of a bump, surge or engine vibration while stopped at idle with the transmission in Drive and their foot on the brake. The dealership recommended cleaning the throttle and replacing the mass air flow sensor. It jammed it to a "stuck open" position, causing a massive vacuum leak, and making the engine "idle-hunt" or "idle-surge". Yamaha EF2400iS Generator Surging Idle Fix Finally, a real solution! UPDATED 11/19/15. Sometimes it will do it right on cold start for about 30 seconds and then go away and sometimes it will start. The likely cause of your F 350 having an idle surge is due to eaither a bad Injector pressure Regulator or a bad Injector control pressure sensor. Idle Surging Problems! this hole the idle drops to 800 and stops surging motor came out of then 30 min later we took the engine out so if the car drove normal. Engine goes high and low, up and down. Some models, such as your 2000 528i with the M52TU 6-cylinder engine, have two intake boots. this probblem started after a bad turbo was changed. Replacing the IACV fixed them both. Tried all that. Your engine's optimum idle speed is the RPM that allows the lowest possible engine speed while allowing a stable idle. This is for bowl type carburetors only. 4 merc 2001 mag mpi motor Surges to 1400 rpms then give it gas goes to 2000 rpms replaced iac,tpi,map new plugs wires distributor and rotor also replaced plenum gaskets checked for codes none found. Going to scan today with a Matco Pro Scan Plus tool hoping to find the issue. Replaced both o2 sensors with denso factory units and the CEL went off but now I have this idle surge along with the creeping up idle. (this engine surging issue happened before, not common, once in a while) No MIL light while driving, i notice the following: If gas pedal is not pressed, car would gradually increase in speed, gear change, and reach a speed of 60km/hr, slowly but eventually;. If you think it can, lower the target idle speed by 50 or 100 RPM (depending on your hunch) and then go through Steps 1-4 again, this time reducing the airflow minimum values by a small margin to make up for the reduced engine speed and considering the thought that you may want to lower idle timing advance a touch as well. Idle surge - Please help! Jun 30 2014, 9:50pm Alrighty, I'm no engine tech guy or anything, but I recently purchased a 2003 Chevy Silverado 2500HD (75,000 mi) about 4 months ago and the truck was running great. The repair for this particular. Normal engine maintenance schedule followed. It's always when I'm half throttle at cruising speeds it will surge 2-300 rpms and it's annoying as fuck. Slight surging idle issues: Digital Self-tuning Forum: 14: Apr 16, 2020: K: Engine New Built Engine - Rough Start and Idle Surge: Fox 5. Subject: Bump, Surge or Vibration at Idle in Drive at a Stop Models: 2013-2014 Buick Encore 2012-2014 Chevrolet Cruze, Sonic 2013 Chevrolet Tracker, Trax Equipped with 1. Having rough idle/engine light issues with my '09 Mini S (47k miles). Engine surges when idling Hey guys, so went to look at a 99 today and mr an my dad test drove it. It only does it however, after the engine has been revved up and I am backing the throttle back down to idle. The engine completely stalled one time as I was braking coming off of a freeway off-ramp into a turn. This applies to all fuel injected BMW and MINI models. If i put it in gear it drops into a steady idle at about 700RPMs. Hot Parts! Engine components can get extremely hot from operation. Almost reminds me of a downshift, but it keeps doing it until I apply the. How to fix a Honda GX390 thats surging or hunting for an idle. It's only happening when the engine is warm. My 1998 Nissan Altima has been idle hunting/surging at startup for a while, and also has a slightly high idle after highway driving. Different injector. Run the engine and spray carb cleaner on areas that could be leaking, the engine will die or speed up when you spray if there is a leak. I used to get an rough idle on my old Briggs & Stratton 18 HP lawn tr. A dirty throttle body can keep the PCM from relearning engine idle speed. It jammed it to a "stuck open" position, causing a massive vacuum leak, and making the engine "idle-hunt" or "idle-surge". Maybe a problem inside injection pump itself? Thanks QLW, Apr 12, 2020 #1. Report; Follow; Asked by dtl504 Sep 01, 2009 at 08:37 AM about the 2002 Mitsubishi Galant ES. I too had my steering column rebuilt, now my :ford: 7. This is a classic indication of a dirty carburetor, most likely the idle circuit (passage). It doesn't seem to be consistent in amount of time in between surges but the surging is constant. And a new starter assembly. 2L V6 engine. I have been having trouble with A) Rough idle and B) surging power up in the rev range. All went well and after putting it back together it still has the same surging issue which is not surprising. This is why there is a misfire at idle. Service manager said it created air leak. After you have made the above check, restart the engine and see if the governor now operates correctly. I have a 2003 dodge with a cummins diesel and a while back I noticed the engine runs unsteady at idlesurges. After checking and replacing the plugged EGR coolers the engine idle is smoother and power feels better but the surging is still there. When I stop at lights with the engine warm the tickover goes to 1000 RPM and if I blip the throttle the engine surges between 1000 and 1500 RPM a couple of times before settling back to !000. During decel, with the throttle closed, brake applied on some models, and the engine speed above a certain point (1400 - 1800rpm or so) the ecu shuts off the fuell injectors (decel fuel cut). The patient in this auto maintenance video is an 04 Mazda van that surges at idle but works perfectly otherwise. This other post can help test the PCV valve and related components. Remove the vacuum line to the valve and see if the engine runs smooth. I wanted to take a look at the throttle body, so I removed the intake tube … Continue reading "2004 Nissan Altima, P0507 Surging / High Idle". boro drift Posts: 2316 Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:26 pm Car: '87 Supra, '92 240 with SR20 and '98 12 valve Cummins. I replaced all the injectors and the governer and still the same problem. engine with covers, shrouds, or guards removed. , as examples) typically feature a dedicated high-pressure oil system that operates the fuel injectors. Fine-tune the idle in three steps: turn the screw clockwise until the engine begins to slow. Off idle does really well. So now Im at a brick wall. Your engine's optimum idle speed is the RPM that allows the lowest possible engine speed while allowing a stable idle. It seems to do it more in the summer rather than the winter, but i think it may be coincidence. ***Now once the engine is warmed up,,,,if you still have surging or a racing idle, that's a whole different story. Won't stop hunting/surging. Controlled by the idle mixture screws. Eventually it will clogg enough the engine will shut off. When the engine has no load, the throttle plate is barely cracked open and most of the fuel is metered through the idle circuit. A vacuum leak can also cause surging problems. As the title says Im experiencing intermittent idle surging but it only happens after the engine is warmed up and only when the car is in park. Over and over. Lean Surge Bucking (Solved), Hard Start (Solved), Rough Idle by Bav3. If the engine runs smooth, then the IAC needs to be replaced. Sometimes it will actually stall… And the fuel-mileage has become VERY poor since this started. I put the truck in drive and the surge disappeared. Spend some time in the FAQ's. 7 v-8 after. Keeps cycling like this. Back out the idle screw in the side of the governor about 3 rounds. Could it throw a code without the check engine light turning on?. And the idle would creep up, a quick rev would bring it back down. 4T has a bad idle surge (550 to 1100 rpm) which causes a rough downshift when starting off. I just installed a brand new injection pump in, but it didnt fix my problem. Figured it was a carb issue so ordered a rebuild kit from Kohler and tore it down not finding any kind of dirt or debris anywhere. I narrowed it down to the IAC valve for the idle and thought I would replace both o2 sensors for the CEL. I put the truck in drive and the surge disappeared. Does not do it all the time, but revs up a bit then back down like it is cycling to find the right idle speed. Now I am having an issue with the engine surging. ***Now once the engine is warmed up,,,,if you still have surging or a racing idle, that's a whole different story. I just bought the car in January and have tired a few things already. My car just recently has developed a bad idle surge problem. Now with the new IACV, the idle is steady at 1500 RPM anywhere from all the way decrease up to normal, but when I increase it more it begins to surge. Check your idle. What are the highest "possibles" for this? Some. I replaced all the injectors and the governer and still the same problem. We'll define "stable" as +/- 50 RPM from the target idle speed you set. Mine was coming from the upper intake gasket. Discuss 1990 TBI 5. It's when the engine, at idle, runs extremely lean and the engine would go "rawr, rawr, rawr" every second as it revs up between 1,000 to 4,000 RPM depending on severity. Eventually it just stalls unless I feather the peddle. Almost reminds me of a downshift, but it keeps doing it until I apply the. My problem is that at idle the motor surges. Another odd thing I noticed today: On startup when the engine is cold, it won't surge until it gets hot. Why does engine surge when car is at a stop? Share this: when the engine is cold. Symtoms of problem are as follows:- car started perfectly and would run perfectly for up to one mile then would hesitate as if it missed firing on one cylinder. Does not do it all the time, but revs up a bit then back down like it is cycling to find the right idle speed. Pull the connector off the idle switch. (this engine surging issue happened before, not common, once in a while) No MIL light while driving, i notice the following: If gas pedal is not pressed, car would gradually increase in speed, gear change, and reach a speed of 60km/hr, slowly but eventually;. Cold start this morning at 22 Deg. repeat this over and over, and you get the constant surging. I have class tomorrow. 4 Engine Diagram) over is actually branded using: 1997 ford f150 5. Check the IAC and see if it’s working. It's always when I'm half throttle at cruising speeds it will surge 2-300 rpms and it's annoying as fuck. Eventually it will clogg enough the engine will shut off. If it still over speeds or. I also replaced the plugs and coil since I was already there. Engine surges at idle 07-31-2016, 04:11 PM. One sign that your Tecumseh engine is not getting the right air-to-fuel mixture is when the engine dies out during the idle state. This video will give you a quick tip on diagnosing this idle surge problem before you start replacing parts. Brand new (reman) injectors. I looked at everything, adjusted what I could and it didn't help. I replaced all the injectors and the governer and still the same problem. furthermore, even at highway. Fine-tune the idle in three steps: turn the screw clockwise until the engine begins to slow. This is a discussion on Surging idle, before and after new IAC valve within the General Help forums, part of the LSx Technical Help Section category; I have a surging problem, about every 3 seconds the car revs slightly. Asked in Jeep Cherokee What causes surge of jeep Cherokee 4. It has no active codes when i hook it up wi. The p0441 I get a lot, and usually it fixes itself when i remove the gas cap and let the gas vapors escape. But again, vacuum would be drawing in and not blowing out. 3 E350 is surging on idle. this probblem started after a bad turbo was changed. This is all that i have done: -Rebuilt the engine. So far I have: Cleaned the carb Completely Replaced the carb Adjusted the idle Replaced the gas Replaced the air filter Replaced the spark plug Replaced the gas with fresh Replaced the fuel line Attempted to adjust the governor per YouTube instructions. On last outing, started and stopped at 4 in-town locations - everything O. Includes Honda lawnmowers, pressure washers, generators, etc CLICK HERE FOR THE DRILL BIT SET---- https://amzn. The RPM's went from like 1k-2k. When you experience idle surge or your Honda fails to idle when warm, chances are your thermowax pellet is damaged or simply worn. Engine Surging - Snow Thrower. The engine itself has the most delay from air fuel volume changes to resulting RPM changes. So I'm getting a light "surging" with my engine. I did notice that even after it warmed up, the idle was about 1000rpm. Symptoms were surging at all throttle positions except idle, which it wouldn't. There is a topic that addresses this issue. About 4-6 weeks ago, the car started experiencing inconsistent periods of RPM surging (maybe once a week), with more common and persistent occurrences (multiple times daily) of what seems to be rough idling (beyond that of the typical coyote idle stutter) and minor RPM surging. I've read numerous threads on the rough idle cold start and the engine having some sort of intake leak and I don't believe I have this problem, but I could be wrong. Since the ECU is not quite as smart as you are and has a very microscopic view of its world, its behavior may seem very strange to you, but seem perfectly normal to the computer. Idle Air Volume Learning is an operation to learn the idle air volume that keeps each engine within the specific range. " The engine speed changes dramatically repeatedly below 2200 RPM It will jump from 800 to 1500 down to 1200 up to 1800 and so on. Runs smooth when on the road. Maybe I read the manual wrong—open the throttle about half way and adjust the carb control rod so that it slips right into the port on the carb throttle. (this engine surging issue happened before, not common, once in a while) No MIL light while driving, i notice the following: If gas pedal is not pressed, car would gradually increase in speed, gear change, and reach a speed of 60km/hr, slowly but eventually;. A: Idle surge is the condition that occurs when something in the ECU idle speed feedback loop fails to operate as expected. Subject: Bump, Surge or Vibration at Idle in Drive at a Stop Models: 2013-2014 Buick Encore 2012-2014 Chevrolet Cruze, Sonic 2013-2014 Chevrolet Trax Equipped with 1. Jump to Latest Follow Status Not open for further replies. All went well and after putting it back together it still has the same surging issue which is not surprising. A common symptom of a faulty idle control valve can be a high idle. Engine started a low level surging in park. But since I felt like the idle was fine, and it started acting up so randomly, I have no clue what could be wrong with it. Once stalled, the governor will close the throttle. It will cause the idle speed to randomly fluctuate to different speeds rather than stay at one constant speed. When the cars idle gets rough, it hard to comprehend the related causes. Could be an injector or a few other things. I have a 2008 Columbia that has just started surging during idling. The surging doesn't seem to effect engine rpm at all, just feels like its missing basically but I really don't see how it could be ignition related because everything has been checked. It will also do a little hesitance when you're accelerating and you let off and then accelerate again. Look for a high engine idle. I would NOT expect the idle to be lifted or the bike to surge when taking off down the road. automatic transmission. It is getting clogged. This caused a new vacuum leak at the front crankcase seal. I have to shut the engine down to go back to a normal 600rpm. During decel, with the throttle closed, brake applied on some models, and the engine speed above a certain point (1400 - 1800rpm or so) the ecu shuts off the fuell injectors (decel fuel cut). This was causing problems on TE#1, erratic and high idle. At speeds above 42 mph, the gasoline engine must spin but there may or may not be fuel delivered to it. As the title says, the engine-Kohler 18hp on my 2000 model year 3184 is surging and then dying at low idle when it warms up after a few minutes. Anyone had this problem?. Before, I would get surge when it was cold but once it warmed up it would go away. Mine was coming from the upper intake gasket. Back out the idle screw in the side of the governor about 3 rounds. al,496HO MPI no modifications. Now, when I'm at a stop light and I turn my steering wheel just a little, the rpm drops and then comes right back up to idling speed. Engine idles OK cold but not when warm. - Engine rpm surges at idle and at highway speeds. Not being able to properly seal, this causes the irregular idle and the fluctuations in RPM as your engine idles. Re: 91 22re surging idle when brake applied could be the idle is set too high and when you apply the brakes it cuts the fuel to save you gas. Also, noticed that when I let off the gas and coast, the engine surges sometime about 500 rpm. Rough Idle When Starting Cold, Then Goes Away When Engine Is At Operating Temperature More Details Below I have an older, low mileage vehicle with a V8 engine. How do I correct engine surging? Ok, I have a John Deere LA115 Mower. I did a quick check of the engine codes and found multiple lean codes. Today I got to test the ISC with a meter and pins 1-2, 2-3, 4-5, and 5-6 all measured 29. Does anyone have any other ideas?. I went back over it again with the propane and could find no leaks. Have you noticed that the idle seems to surge constantly? Does it constantly move between 800 and 1800 RPM? Does the idle stay steady at 1800 RPM?. my '03 element is experiencing a surging idle. So, Having an engine that performs well can save you a bundle of money. When the engine has no load, the throttle plate is barely cracked open and most of the fuel is metered through the idle circuit. until started at the 4th place and engine started "surging" at idle speed. This was the 3rd pump installed, the OE died about a year ago and the 2nd one 4 months ago. I thought I had a handle on it, but it showed up in round three of eliminations (hard surge) making staging difficult and breaking my drivers concentration. Engine will run, but it surges, hunts for a constant RPM. Pull the carb, pull the idle needle and run a wire through the bleed inlet (on the intake of the carb on the same side as the needle) and through the passage to the idle port after the slide. When I stop at lights with the engine warm the tickover goes to 1000 RPM and if I blip the throttle the engine surges between 1000 and 1500 RPM a couple of times before settling back to !000. Penny Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 1/13/2009 23:57:00: RE: Idle Surge IP: Logged Message: Hi,. If the engine runs smooth, then the IAC needs to be replaced. Start up the engine. however I repaired the water problem but my idle concerne still exist. As the title says, my truck has a intermittent surge in the idle. This is only an issue when idling. Some models, such as your 2000 528i with the M52TU 6-cylinder engine, have two intake boots. So I drained the float bowl on the carburetor and blew out the fuel line back to the tank. Ok everyone, here is the update on my idle surge problem! I decided to get every thing back to the way it came when my jeep was new. Your engine's optimum idle speed is the RPM that allows the lowest possible engine speed while allowing a stable idle. Engine surging during idle. It also will do this if I put in Park. Surging, no power, intermittent rough idle Discussion in ' VT - VX Holden Commodore (1997 - 2002) ' started by EYY , Mar 9, 2016. Did you know your generator has NO fuel filter? That screen inside the fuel fill port is too course to stop fine enough particulate to clog a jet on your carburetor. it is a stock 96 motor with a stage 1 V&H with true dual headpipes and stock mufflers. Brand new (reman) injectors. My car has an idle surge. Idle speed or ignition timing is out of specification. I have a marine 3116 cat with surging and stalling at idle. A vacuum leak can also cause surging problems. it happened after i took a 6hr drive from davis to oxnard in cali and now when i start it it idles around 1000-1100 but when it warms up it goes up to 2000 rpms and surges evben when i press the brakes im almost certain its that cold air valve on the tb is there a diagram or a writeup that shows how to. #N#In this article, we'll discuss engine idle issues, surging and "hunting" problems. Report; Follow; Asked by dtl504 Sep 01, 2009 at 08:37 AM about the 2002 Mitsubishi Galant ES. If it goes away try a new sensor. If it still over speeds or. This commonly occurs when drivers are stopped at a red light, waiting while parked outside a business or residence, or otherwise stationary with the engine running. furthermore, even at highway. Here's what happens: If I'm driving at very, very low speeds (think grocery store or mall parking lot- 5 mph or so) the engine has a "surging" idle to it. The engine was rebuilt about 25K miles ago and i have receipts for over $6k worth of repairs in hte past 4 years. My engine is still randomly surging at idle. The high idle is usually a vacuum leak at the carbs somewhere, see if the carb mounts are old or cracked or not sealing to the head or carbs. What are the highest "possibles" for this? Some. This was causing problems on TE#1, erratic and high idle. The problem seems to be temp sensitive, runs good when cold but gets worse as it warms up. Engine surges when idling Hey guys, so went to look at a 99 today and mr an my dad test drove it. So go easy on me. This caused a new vacuum leak at the front crankcase seal. 2012 10 03 11 13 19 612 - YouTube Im runing stock dodge automatic ecu from a 2002 truck and. Quote Reply Topic: 401 - engine surge at idle Posted: Jan/16/2011 at 11:58am: Well I am new to the forum, and to AMC engines. Ray, "blue smoke" most of the time means its over fueling. It runs great, slight surge sometimes at idle and like I said when cruising. A surge is usually caused by a fuel system management or drivetrain operation failure. boro drift Posts: 2316 Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:26 pm Car: '87 Supra, '92 240 with SR20 and '98 12 valve Cummins. As the title says, the engine-Kohler 18hp on my 2000 model year 3184 is surging and then dying at low idle when it warms up after a few minutes. It will idle in park as well but if I let it idle for 30 seconds to a few minutes it will begin to suge from 500rmpms to 1200rpms. Finally, also when I start the engine, put it into reverse, it slams into gear and dies. Mild built n/a LS1. After you have made the above check, restart the engine and see if the governor now operates correctly. It will cause the idle speed to randomly fluctuate to different speeds rather than stay at one constant speed. Ever since I bought my 89 5. engine with covers, shrouds, or guards removed. The book says air leaks in the carb. The Stealership tells me it's a short in the Throttle Body Valve, but I doubt it. My 2001 LL Bean H6-3. so I pulled the engine and did all the work. AGAIN: I get this Surging ONLY when the engine is WARM and at IDLE. Kubota FG1860g gas surging idle I ran out of gas and when I refilled and restarted, the engine is surging. How to Check an Idle Air Control Valve The idle air control valve — also known as the "idle speed control valve" — regulates the idle speed of your engine. Run the engine and spray carb cleaner on areas that could be leaking, the engine will die or speed up when you spray if there is a leak. All filters on machine changed. If I hold the accelerator peddle to about 750 rpm the surge goes away. chevy forum at Car Dealer Forums; Truck runs great, but recently when the engine comes off the enriching circuit. I took my car to the shop, and this is what was. (this engine surging issue happened before, not common, once in a while) No MIL light while driving, i notice the following: If gas pedal is not pressed, car would gradually increase in speed, gear change, and reach a speed of 60km/hr, slowly but eventually;. cat235d · Registered. I have a mk IV 1. Engine surging at idle??? Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 6 of 6 Posts. I am working on a 99 C5 with H/C (mid size cam) with Fast 92 and LS2 TB The car runs strong!! I have MAF and VE tables VERY close, and after the car is warm, it runs great. Engine surges when idling Hey guys, so went to look at a 99 today and mr an my dad test drove it. Seems to be running fine otherwise. A no load surge is caused by the idle jet being clogged with dirt or debris. I have changed idle timing, idle air flow (up and down) and just can't get this. ok my s10 has been surging at idle it has a 4. Vacuum leaks in MAF systems will usually cause a rough idle, but often will not result in surging under cruise. 2012 10 03 11 13 19 612 - YouTube Im runing stock dodge automatic ecu from a 2002 truck and. 2L VTEC SOHC (NO CHECK ENGINE LIGHT!) The car surges at idle hot or cold! the surging starts whenever I get the rpms over 1750 give or take. Again, ty soooo. Pull the connector off the idle switch. As the title says, the engine-Kohler 18hp on my 2000 model year 3184 is surging and then dying at low idle when it warms up after a few minutes. surging idle? ruinthechurch: Factory 2. With the engine at idle, move the governor lever with your finger to open the throttle and it should push the arm back toward idle if working properly. If I put a load on the engine by turning on the airconditioning compressor, the surging will often stop. It's an aluminum casting with some hoses going hither and thither. This video will give you a quick tip on diagnosing this idle surge problem before you start replacing parts. Cause Correction; Low Fuel Level in Tank: Fill fuel supply tank. turn the engine off and then restart it. The ECM/PCM learns to compensate for the buildup by increasing the throttle plate angle to ensure the correct amount of air still enters the engine. I get it home, put it in park, and it keeps surging. also check to make sure the cold air intake is properly installed and clamps are tight. Now, when I'm at a stop light and I turn my steering wheel just a little, the rpm drops and then comes right back up to idling speed. It'll just bog out and sputter to a stop. - Engine rpm surges at idle and at highway speeds. The engine surges bad enough to shake the entire bus. (this engine surging issue happened before, not common, once in a while) No MIL light while driving, i notice the following: If gas pedal is not pressed, car would gradually increase in speed, gear change, and reach a speed of 60km/hr, slowly but eventually;. 8t Jetta (AWP) with the 5 speed auto transmission. Once stalled, the governor will close the throttle. engine rpm surging highand low at idle and driving speed. I can get 20" hg at idle, steady gauge with no fluctuation. Engine surges when idling Hey guys, so went to look at a 99 today and mr an my dad test drove it. this probblem started after a bad turbo was changed. So far nothing has. By the term surging idle, I mean an idle that wanders up and down more than 50 RPM, or an idle that starts low and goes high and stays there. And a new starter assembly. The problem was the auxiliary air valve, (AAV) a water temperature control device that Jaguar uses to control idle speed up to and when the engine reaches operating temperatures. Idle would drop to around 400 then up to 1000 and down. so I pulled the engine and did all the work. This is the fix for the idle surge. when i turn the engine over the engine idles high, at above 2k rpms. The likely cause of your F 350 having an idle surge is due to eaither a bad Injector pressure Regulator or a bad Injector control pressure sensor. turn the engine off and then restart it. This occurred after I went leaner on the pilot. Never operate the engine with heat shields or guards removed. Idling refers to running a vehicle's engine when the vehicle is not in motion. Diesel surge. For the engine surging making the rpm’s go up and down could be caused by a defective or stuck idle air control valve (IAC). 8t wolfsburg and the idle will bounce from like 600 to 900 up and down continuously and sometimes when i stop the engine will just stall. Next play with the high-speed needle, but always back it out from the setting about 1/4 turn or so, from where it runs the smoothest. Started right up and I began working. This was causing problems on TE#1, erratic and high idle. Discussion Starter • #1 • Apr 10, 2018. Cleaning it out with a metal rod fixed the idle problem. Goes up to 48v occasionally. It then jumps back up to about 750, but idles rough. engine controls - engine surge/rolling idle/d tc's se t related links ser vice procedure ar ticle no. If the engine is surging upon startup and not settling down to the proper idle, a sticking IAC could be what the issue is. * It is dirty. 03 Piolt with 128K miles. The ECM/PCM learns to compensate for the buildup by increasing the throttle plate angle to ensure the correct amount of air still enters the engine. The factory manual specifies performing the idle adjustment with the engine oil temperature between 70 - 90 °C (158 - 194 °F). Did you know your generator has NO fuel filter? That screen inside the fuel fill port is too course to stop fine enough particulate to clog a jet on your carburetor. If an engine is not getting enough fuel (this is called “running lean”), due to fuel pressure (regulated by the fuel pump and regulator),. With the engine at idle, move the governor lever with your finger to open the throttle and it should push the arm back toward idle if working properly. 6 L) experiences an idle surge problem. Normally, the PCM should increase the idle speed to compensate for the added load on the engine when the A/C is on. After you have made the above check, restart the engine and see if the governor now operates correctly. First let's cover the "basics" in terms of the possible causes of engine surging/hunting, where engine speed suddenly (or slowly) changes. Why does engine surge when car is at a stop? Share this: when the engine is cold. Unplug the exhaust back pressure sensor while running. Many times their are multiple problems. Lawnmower guy here The carb is probably plugged up a bit, which causes the engine to run lean, which causes the the engine speed to fall off, and the governor forces the carb to open more, thus the surge cycle begins. Engine surge at idle when the heater control is in the defrost position (1991 Ford F-150) When at idle, and the heater -a/c control is in the defrost position, the engine speed will increase from 500 to 700 rpm, then back to 500. I never saw the battery voltage gauge surge though. 2L - engine idle high with surges & surges while driving. What are the highest "possibles" for this? Some. 3 idle surging. Engine will run, but it surges, hunts for a constant RPM. The idle adjustment is a screw recessed into the side of the governor. I am trying to tune out a hesitation in the off idle part throttle range. I wanted to take a look at the throttle body, so I removed the intake tube … Continue reading "2004 Nissan Altima, P0507 Surging / High Idle". #N#In this article, we'll discuss engine idle issues, surging and "hunting" problems. Jump to Latest Follow Status Not open for further replies. I thought I had a handle on it, but it showed up in round three of eliminations (hard surge) making staging difficult and breaking my drivers concentration. ok they said maby bleed the coolant cause it could have gotten air in it. The book says air leaks in the carb. To ensure a good connection on the 10 pin connectors a little modification can be done which is fairly easy and will cure some surging and hanging idle issues on 86-93 Mustangs and should be the first thing. I have 135,000 miles on it. INTERMITTENT ENGINE HESITATION/SURGING APPLIED VEHICLE(S): 1986. Tear it apart and clean. Maybe a second later, the same thing happens again and repeats. When I had the "Set Timing" connector disconnected the timing was at Zero, where it is supposed to be, and stayed steady although the engine still surged. I previously changed the plugs (gapped correctly), engine oil/filter, tranny oil/filter, air filter and the in line fuel filter. It also will do this if I put in Park. Penny Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 1/13/2009 23:57:00: RE: Idle Surge IP: Logged Message: Hi,. Runs fine for appx. Also seen a post in another forum about the idle air control valve, and how cleaning will help. So make sure to check the system as well, if necessary. The engine sounded good at fast idle, then as the engine slowed the surge returned. They changed the throtle plate 2 times Its been 6 months and its doing it again. My 2001 V70 2. Diesel Engine "Surging" or "loping" My diesel engine has developed a problem with "surging" or "loping. 7L V8 Specific Topics. L67 problems. It must be performed under any of the following conditions: Each time electric throttle control actuator or ECM is replaced. Also on initial cold start up the idle begins at 1500 RPM and slowly. Re-timed it to 8* at 1000 rpm, re-set low idle, hooked vacuum back up 3000 rpm 34 * timing. Includes Honda lawnmowers, pressure washers, generators, etc CLICK HERE FOR THE DRILL BIT SET---- https://amzn. After running wide open, then going to an idle, the bike would surge up and down for about 15 seconds. The engine noise gets extremely quiet when it drops down to 500 RPM. Idling refers to running a vehicle's engine when the vehicle is not in motion. 3L SFI6 104,000 miles The truck starts good, idles smooth but after driving for about 20 minutes it starts surging and "buck. Lawnmower guy here The carb is probably plugged up a bit, which causes the engine to run lean, which causes the the engine speed to fall off, and the governor forces the carb to open more, thus the surge cycle begins. Sometimes it will do it right on cold start for about 30 seconds and then go away and sometimes it will start. Sometimes it will actually stall… And the fuel-mileage has become VERY poor since this started. If I put a load on the engine by turning on the airconditioning compressor, the surging will often stop. INTERMITTENT ENGINE HESITATION/SURGING APPLIED VEHICLE(S): 1986. We're not talking about a knocking engine or one that idles rough or stalls. During decel, with the throttle closed, brake applied on some models, and the engine speed above a certain point (1400 - 1800rpm or so) the ecu shuts off the fuell injectors (decel fuel cut). Engine Surges at Idle, Troubleshooting Cummins Diesel Engines. My problem is that at idle the motor surges. After checking and replacing the plugged EGR coolers the engine idle is smoother and power feels better but the surging is still there. Enough to feel the car lightly "shake". Quite often surging like this is caused by not enough air getting passed the butterfly valve in the throttle body when the butterfly is closed. I put the truck in drive and the surge disappeared. Leave everything as is, just open-up the throttle screw a bunch so that the engine can breathe while you set the idle rpm.
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